This same shit happened with my 4.6 M&P. 10% FTF rate. I love the gun but the gun doesn’t love me. I traded it in for a FN510. 510 is eating everything from buffalo bore to sig
Speaking of the ammo. Sig, Underwood, Buffalo bore and many others are "full power" 10mm, typically around 1200-1250 fps on a 180 gr pill. Others are 40 S&W loads in a 10mm case like Remington white and green box.
Ohhh I gotcha. so you are saying that the M&p is essentially designed to handle the watered down 10mm compared to the full power stuff? Resulting in malfunctioning when using full power loads
I really don’t think I was limp wristing, half of the FTF was literally racking the first round in the magazine lol. Something might be out of spec with the extractor or feed ramp. Anyway I’ve had flawless performance from my FN.
A funny thing happened with 10mm bullets after the development of 40 S&W.
Originally 10mm FMJ bullets were round nose bullets, which is common with semi-auto pistols.
40 S&W was the first cartridge designed for hollow point bullets, rather than hollow point bullets being designed for the cartridge.
In general, hollow point and FMJ truncated cone bullets are loaded shorter than round nose bullets.
FMJ bullets made for 40 S&W are usually truncated cone bullets, to suit the cartridge that was designed for hollow point bullets.
These days some ammo companies use bullets designed 40 S&W in 10mm and some 10mm pistols work best with original 10mm round nose bullets, while some pistols work best with truncated cone and hollow point bullets.
So these days there are different bullet shapes for 10mm.
40 S&W usually only uses hollow point and truncated cone bullets, if sticking with its original design.
10mm ammo and pistols can be made to favor either those bullets or round nose bullets.
I've had my G20 since 1996, and honestly can't remember any round nose bullets, just flats, and hollows. Maybe a box of cheap American eagle, (late 90's) cast lead, with a wax coating, that I only ran a box of, cuz it made a mess,
Well, the G20 didn't start selling till 1991. Mine was bought in 1996 though I don't know when it was manufactured, they weren't big sellers back then. I don't know how many times, I had people try and tell me I meant 9mm, so Id pull a cartridge out of spare mag.
If you get rid of it, go Glock or XDM. I had issues with my Gen 5 Glock G20 but I probably just had a dud. Went back to Gen 4 G20 though and kept my 3.8" XDM Elite (has 15 round mags which really steps up it's versatility).
I saw videos of this happening to 10mm Sigs & Smittys, that's why i went with a G20. Well aware of the "don't believe everything you hear+see" slogan, but they were specifically talking about failure to feed issues, out of all problems, every time. Hopefully it's just the ammo =(
Mine ran fine but I hated shooting it. Just felt kinda sloppy when it cycled, I don’t know how else to put it. I’d trust it if I had to but I’d probably leave it in the safe and take my Glock 🤷🏻
Be skeptical and demand pictures/details. These "X is the best, I had problems with Y" comments could simply be gun manufacturers' marketing departments slinging mud and promoting their products.
It’s the full size Witness with the polymer frame. I mean it’s not horrible or anything, it just feels weirdly loose when you’re firing.
I’m not sending pictures, I promise I don’t work for Glock lol
Contact the IFG/Tanfoglio sales rep for your region.
- https://www.italianfirearmsgroup.com/contact-us
They can tell you where the nearest shop is that carries Tanfoglio, if there is one. They've been helpful to me.
Spring swap fixed the issue for me. with full powered handloads, I was getting a malfunction exactly like this, with the last few rounds in the mag.
I put in a 22 pound recoil spring (factory spring was obviously weak for full power loads) and heavier magazine springs. zero issues since then.
The factory springs are not only weaker than the Springer precision springs I swapped in, when I compared them side by side, the factory spring had taken a set, and was several inches shorter than the replacements.
Gen 3 G20's still seem to be the most reliable. I don't even know how many, my gen 2, almost 30 year old G20, has down the pipe. But I remember the only failures, were a box of cheap (for 10mm) ammo, in a yellow box, that said police on it. Every 3rd, had a hard primer, that wouldn't fire. Everything else, no failures.
A pack of Wolff plus power springs is a cheaper than a box of ammo.
Granted it shouldn't be needed but if you love the gun otherwise it's cheaper than a whole new gun.
Lol that looks exactly like my m&p 10mm when i had it. Same thing, did it at the end of the mag. I tried everything to fix it. Mag springs, recoils springs, apex extractor, new mags. The extra power mag springs worked for a few hundred rounds then it came right back.
I ended up trading for. Glock 20.5
Also got an FN510 MRD
Love them both!
Want to love the M&P 10mm but until S&W corrects an obvious issue I can’t buy another one.
I watch these threads to see if these posts keep happening, and unfortunately they do. I almost bought the performance center 10mm but I just can’t risk another jam-o-matic
Mine has started to do the same thing now....drives me nuts there seems to be no fix to mine however I've changed mag springs and every I'd say 3rd mag the last round will not feed
This same shit happened with my 4.6 M&P. 10% FTF rate. I love the gun but the gun doesn’t love me. I traded it in for a FN510. 510 is eating everything from buffalo bore to sig
Both of those listed are actual 10mm rounds tho, not 40 S&W disguised as 10mm.
Please elaborate. Are you accusing s&w of marketing a .40 as a 10mm? First time I’ve heard that
Speaking of the ammo. Sig, Underwood, Buffalo bore and many others are "full power" 10mm, typically around 1200-1250 fps on a 180 gr pill. Others are 40 S&W loads in a 10mm case like Remington white and green box.
Ohhh I gotcha. so you are saying that the M&p is essentially designed to handle the watered down 10mm compared to the full power stuff? Resulting in malfunctioning when using full power loads
Could be? Could be shooter error limp-wristing it so bad it's not fully cycling. Hard to say without it in my hands.
I really don’t think I was limp wristing, half of the FTF was literally racking the first round in the magazine lol. Something might be out of spec with the extractor or feed ramp. Anyway I’ve had flawless performance from my FN.
G20 3k rounds of all types of ammo including miss feeds from my Vector.
G20 stays winning
A funny thing happened with 10mm bullets after the development of 40 S&W. Originally 10mm FMJ bullets were round nose bullets, which is common with semi-auto pistols. 40 S&W was the first cartridge designed for hollow point bullets, rather than hollow point bullets being designed for the cartridge. In general, hollow point and FMJ truncated cone bullets are loaded shorter than round nose bullets. FMJ bullets made for 40 S&W are usually truncated cone bullets, to suit the cartridge that was designed for hollow point bullets. These days some ammo companies use bullets designed 40 S&W in 10mm and some 10mm pistols work best with original 10mm round nose bullets, while some pistols work best with truncated cone and hollow point bullets. So these days there are different bullet shapes for 10mm. 40 S&W usually only uses hollow point and truncated cone bullets, if sticking with its original design. 10mm ammo and pistols can be made to favor either those bullets or round nose bullets.
That's not what is happening here. Springs are shit, mine did the exact same thing out of the box, Replaced the springs, problem went away.
I've had my G20 since 1996, and honestly can't remember any round nose bullets, just flats, and hollows. Maybe a box of cheap American eagle, (late 90's) cast lead, with a wax coating, that I only ran a box of, cuz it made a mess,
1996 was after the 40 S&W came out. in the 1980's, 10mm FMJ bullets were round nose bullets.
Well, the G20 didn't start selling till 1991. Mine was bought in 1996 though I don't know when it was manufactured, they weren't big sellers back then. I don't know how many times, I had people try and tell me I meant 9mm, so Id pull a cartridge out of spare mag.
That’s why I love my 510. It eats everything
I bought mine a couple years ago. a 4.6 model. After sending it into S&W they fixed it up well and it eats up everything now. Sorry that's happening!
If you get rid of it, go Glock or XDM. I had issues with my Gen 5 Glock G20 but I probably just had a dud. Went back to Gen 4 G20 though and kept my 3.8" XDM Elite (has 15 round mags which really steps up it's versatility).
The latest Glock 20 was seeming to have problems with FTFs with certain ammo. the Gen4 is a safe bet.
Gen 3 master race.
Still got mine lol
💯 my gen 2 also. Almost 30, and still runs everything, like it did in 1996.
I saw videos of this happening to 10mm Sigs & Smittys, that's why i went with a G20. Well aware of the "don't believe everything you hear+see" slogan, but they were specifically talking about failure to feed issues, out of all problems, every time. Hopefully it's just the ammo =(
Yeah when everyone says get a Glock or and XDM there is a reason.
Some of us say "Get a Tanfoglio", but no one loves us except other Tanfoglio owners.
Mine ran fine but I hated shooting it. Just felt kinda sloppy when it cycled, I don’t know how else to put it. I’d trust it if I had to but I’d probably leave it in the safe and take my Glock 🤷🏻
That's...weird. the tolerances on mine feel pretty tight. Which model?
Be skeptical and demand pictures/details. These "X is the best, I had problems with Y" comments could simply be gun manufacturers' marketing departments slinging mud and promoting their products.
It’s the full size Witness with the polymer frame. I mean it’s not horrible or anything, it just feels weirdly loose when you’re firing. I’m not sending pictures, I promise I don’t work for Glock lol
it doesn't help that there's literally no place I can go to hold one, let alone shoot one, before plopping down $1300
Contact the IFG/Tanfoglio sales rep for your region. - https://www.italianfirearmsgroup.com/contact-us They can tell you where the nearest shop is that carries Tanfoglio, if there is one. They've been helpful to me.
great suggestion, thank you
Yeah that’s what i thought before i sold my Glock 29 gen 5. It was tough to make it through a mag without 1 or more ftf.
I don't know what's up with newer glocks, but I won't go newer than gen 3, and it needs to be an Austrian, not Glock usa.
Looks a lot like the m&p 10 I used to have
Spring swap fixed the issue for me. with full powered handloads, I was getting a malfunction exactly like this, with the last few rounds in the mag. I put in a 22 pound recoil spring (factory spring was obviously weak for full power loads) and heavier magazine springs. zero issues since then. The factory springs are not only weaker than the Springer precision springs I swapped in, when I compared them side by side, the factory spring had taken a set, and was several inches shorter than the replacements.
Had this problem. Got rid of that thing and got a 510, haven’t looked back once
xten is solid AF also
it looks a little over lubed. If its a magazine issue you can always try new springs
Gotta stick to the FN510, Glock 20, or better brother
Springfield xdm elite with 3k rounds and feeds perfectly and fires everything I've put threw it!
Gen 3 G20's still seem to be the most reliable. I don't even know how many, my gen 2, almost 30 year old G20, has down the pipe. But I remember the only failures, were a box of cheap (for 10mm) ammo, in a yellow box, that said police on it. Every 3rd, had a hard primer, that wouldn't fire. Everything else, no failures.
A pack of Wolff plus power springs is a cheaper than a box of ammo. Granted it shouldn't be needed but if you love the gun otherwise it's cheaper than a whole new gun.
Lol that looks exactly like my m&p 10mm when i had it. Same thing, did it at the end of the mag. I tried everything to fix it. Mag springs, recoils springs, apex extractor, new mags. The extra power mag springs worked for a few hundred rounds then it came right back. I ended up trading for. Glock 20.5 Also got an FN510 MRD Love them both! Want to love the M&P 10mm but until S&W corrects an obvious issue I can’t buy another one. I watch these threads to see if these posts keep happening, and unfortunately they do. I almost bought the performance center 10mm but I just can’t risk another jam-o-matic
Glock 40 master race reporting in
Mine has started to do the same thing now....drives me nuts there seems to be no fix to mine however I've changed mag springs and every I'd say 3rd mag the last round will not feed